Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-9114790-20150624175947/@comment-917693-20150628225053

Guys, am I the only one who thinks, this has gotten out of hands??? --- '''Sen, who is on vacation has voiced, that the guide is outdated. We should include things like "if the utaite has a channel[...]" and under some conditions restrict the reprints. And I also think, we should additionally include the terms stated in our tutorial. However, she'll first be enjoying her vacation :P However I do not want to make it a downloading guide, because I think it's not necessary. (Read below)''' --- Reprinting is really controversial, I know. That's why we made the artist permission page in the first place. However downloading is technically just as bad, or why do you think, nicosound has been compromised?

Also I don't think a downloading guide would serve any purpose... Besides videos can be easily downloaded by googling nicovideo download. I do not think changing the topic will be any useful to the wiki.

Also there have never been arguments about reprinting on the wiki before, so...

Also, you saying "I personally don't want others to reprint my stuff, but I don't say it publicly" doesn't apply to everyone... From what I've seen from artists (drawers), there are a lot of people who forbid reprints, but also people who ask for asks, but also people who say just credit me, and not so often ppl wo don't care at all.

Also I personally find the "reprints on NND are ok" is kind of biased. They may use the subscription for other stuff to, and it does not change the fact at all, that they did reprint your stuff. If your main argument on what is good or evil, is if the user has a subscription or not, I don't think it's a good measurement.

It is not to be "assumed", and pixiv making it part of their site policy makes it even less "assumed", because it's written down, just like a personal written permission.

"I eventually realized that not all the videos were uploaded and realized I need to migrate to NND." I think this one is actually an anti-argument. Since it proves, no matter how much you rely on YT reprints, at some point, you'll find you want to have the real thing. And once you've done that, the reprints are nothing you care about anymore. BUT the same reprints will still be there, when another young girl surfs the internet, and discovers the utaite fandom. And the might just as well migrate to nicovideo. "YouTube works as a gateway to NND culture only, not to support the entire utattemita fandom." Why would you want to rob someone of their gateway to a new fandom...

Also while you might be mad, that the video got more views than yours, having that bilibili video out there has not decreased your possible amounts of views. Because it's very unlikely the chinese ppl would have discovered your video in the first place. Your views may have even risen. Also while bilibili is a chinese site, saying "NO REPRINT" can highly be google translated correctly. Some utaite, who denied permission have written it in Japanese.

"If it does not exist already, a seperate page should be made stating the rules of reprints for the wiki (such as "only reprints with proper credits be on the wiki" or etc)" Just read the tutorial.

"Fan uploaded videos have no relevance to the wiki's informational articles." They do. If I discover an utaite video on YT, and get to know the utaite wiki, while still being new, they would very likely want to check out the songs of the utaite who sang the song they first heard.

Since the downloading section of the page seems to be in violation then I think the page should be reworded to just stating the wiki's requirements on what reprints are allowed on the wiki. THIS IS GREAT! (no irony.) because that literally means we could just simply get rid of the page, since the reprinting guidelines are already in the tutorial anyway lol

Also unrelated, but talking on the internet is not only about the language barrier. The fact, that we can only express ourselves through words (and at times additionally emoticons, and those have their limits too) gives a lot of leeway for interpretation. (That's for example why above I had to stay explicitely, "no irony." because it sounds really ironic in my head. But for example had I said "This is great" irl, people could see from my expression, that I meant it.) I think that's why it's even more (like 10^9999999999999 times more important to choose the right words...)

Anyway, the parts, that I think are really still relevant, are the ones in bold