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PromiseKun
• 11/17/2017

Question on crediting songs

Hello

Quick question. How do you credit vocaloid songs? Would I put the original artist's name? Do I need to put other things? Unfortunately I don't know japanese so I can't navigate through nico nico or wheveever these guys post. Do they mind if english speakers cover their songs?

Also, when going through various utaites, some of them copypaste a few paragraphs worth of copyright laws when others have the bare minimum. What is the correct way of going about this?

Thanks

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BLUEBIRD
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• 11/18/2017

lol wikia notified me, when you did your original post xD seems like you can post after all ^^


Anyway, I suggest you look at a few other utaites/youtaites and see how they do it.

You'll see most everyone at least includes the link to the original (pay attention to credit the original video, not some reprint of another channel).

Most also include the composer/lyricist, and some even movie and illustration artists, etc.

Also keep in mind if you use the video of another person (e.g. if you found an awesome fanmade PV that you like better than the original and want to use it) you need to credit them too. (PS. only if they're okay with you using it.) The same goes for using translyrics of another person!

Same goes with anyone who helps you (i.e. people who do your mixing, custom artwork, etc.)

So generally as a rule of thumb, it's best to just credit everyone who has contributed to the video.


About this "Do they mind if english speakers cover their songs?". In general if they allow covers of their songs (generally if they do, you can find off vocals on piapro. Often linked to on the original video) they wouldn't mind english speakers covering their songs, unless they're extreme xenophobes probably...


"Also, when going through various utaites, some of them copypaste a few paragraphs worth of copyright laws[...]". I don't think I ever saw utaite copy paste copyright laws... Youtaite on the other hand... that's because YouTube is sometimes shit, and will take down things believing they're violating some copyright laws. So I believe people copy paste things such as "This cover is not for commercial use/under fair use" or things like "I only own my own voice" so that it's less likely that YouTube accidentally takes down their video. If it works? I don't know...


PS If I sound like I'm rambling (it's late and I'm way past my bedtime), and anything is unclear be sure to ask.

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• 11/18/2017
BLUEBIRD wrote:
lol wikia notified me, when you did your original post xD seems like you can post after all ^^----

Anyway, I suggest you look at a few other utaites/youtaites and see how they do it.

You'll see most everyone at least includes the link to the original (pay attention to credit the original video, not some reprint of another channel).

Most also include the composer/lyricist, and some even movie and illustration artists, etc.

Also keep in mind if you use the video of another person (e.g. if you found an awesome fanmade PV that you like better than the original and want to use it) you need to credit them too. (PS. only if they're okay with you using it.) The same goes for using translyrics of another person!

Same goes with anyone who helps you (i.e. people who do your mixing, custom artwork, etc.)

So generally as a rule of thumb, it's best to just credit everyone who has contributed to the video.


About this "Do they mind if english speakers cover their songs?". In general if they allow covers of their songs (generally if they do, you can find off vocals on piapro. Often linked to on the original video) they wouldn't mind english speakers covering their songs, unless they're extreme xenophobes probably...


"Also, when going through various utaites, some of them copypaste a few paragraphs worth of copyright laws[...]". I don't think I ever saw utaite copy paste copyright laws... Youtaite on the other hand... that's because YouTube is sometimes shit, and will take down things believing they're violating some copyright laws. So I believe people copy paste things such as "This cover is not for commercial use/under fair use" or things like "I only own my own voice" so that it's less likely that YouTube accidentally takes down their video. If it works? I don't know...


PS If I sound like I'm rambling (it's late and I'm way past my bedtime), and anything is unclear be sure to ask.

LOL you saw that. I tried posting the original topic but it kept getting lost in the matrix so I posted that out of frustration but it worked . The power of edit is awesome.

If you don't mind, could I get a quick rundown on piapro? I went to the site but have no idea what it does or how I nagivate it.

Oh, and checking again you're right. It's mostly youtaites with copyright blurbs. Thanks for the info! Btw, can you give me critique on a song cover I did? Can't ask my friends since I'm hiding my weeb hobbies.

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• 11/19/2017

haha glad it worked after all though ^^;;


Piapro is just a site, were people can upload different things, such as tracks/music (音楽/オンガク), illustrations (イラスト), 3d models (3Dモデル), and texts/lyrics (テキスト). And many producers use piapro to upload their off vocals.

Hmm... I think the easiest is, if the original artist links to the off vocal directly. So say you've seen Choumiryou's cover of Paradichlorobenzene. Find the line in the description that goes like 本家様⇒smXXXXXXX (本家様 means like original artist) and click on that link. In our example that'd be This video by OwataP. In this video's description you see the line オフボーカル - http://piapro.jp/xxx (オフボーカル is off vocal). If there is no piapro link on the video's description, then shoot... (PS: you may need to set the language to Japanese, because often the English translations that fans submit, omit a lot of stuff...)

If there's no link to the off vocal on the video, another option is to go to the Vocaloid Wiki and search for the producer of the song. Often they have the link to the producer's piapro account, so just click on that. For example Jin's page has his piapro account linked on it. What you may be interested in is the 最近の投稿作品 tab (newest uploaded works). Click on it to expand, and search (Ctrl + F) for the song you want by copy pasting the Japanese name into the searchbox of your browser, or simply scroll through the page to find it.

If Vocaloid Wiki for some reason doesn't have the piapro account linked on it either, just search for the song by copy pasting the Japanese title. Now when I searched for example for オツキミリサイタル (Otsukimi Recital), piapro by default searched for illustrations. So be sure to, when you search, go to the dropdown left to the seacrh box, and select music (♫音楽). Or if you forgot to do so, and already searched, on the search result page, click on the オンガク (music) tab. Another thing is, piapro by default searched after upload time (投稿日時)... If you search like that you'll get newest uploaded first. But we don't want that, as the off vocal is usually one of the first that get uploaded... So select みられている順 as it will display the tracks after views, and usually the off vocal should have most views (or at least be under the top 5...). If I do so with the previous example of searching オツキミリサイタル, the first result will be "オツキミリサイタル off vo", and the uploader is じんさん (Jin). And since we know that Jin is the original artist, we know it's a legit upload by the original artist, sorta (unless there's some imposter going around...)

I think you can also search for the song by putting the Japanese title, and off vocal, but I don't know how reliable that is, since not all may actually name their off vocals that way. Some may name it instrumental, and then it wouldn't appear in the search results.

Also on the front page, there is this 注目作品 which is basically a spotlight of some works (maybe the currently popular works?). Again under the オンガク (music) tab, you can find some off vocals as well. But tbh. if you're searching for a specific track, the probability is pretty low that it just happens to be on that page ^^;

Now about downloading. I need to be logged in to download the tracks. Click on 新規登録|ログイン to create a new account/log in. It will lead you to the log in (ログイン) screen, where you can input your piapro ID or your email that you registered with (ピアプロIDまたは登録Eメール), and your password (パスワード). PS: If you forgot your password click パスワードを忘れた and if you want to be remembered, check 次回オートログインする (next time do auto sign in).

But you probably don't have an account yet. so click on はじめての方は ユーザー登録をしてご利用下さい. You'll be lead to a page with a large text blob. That's probably (idk, didn't read...) term of use blob. just scroll down and click the green button to agree and continue. On the next page input your email. Again click the green button. Piapro will send you a verification email. click on it to verify, and you can continue registering. In the next tab ご希望のピアプロID is your preferred piapro ID: 4-24 Characters, english numbers, letters and underlines allowed. パスワード is password, パスワード確認 is again password, アイコン画像 is your icon, 生まれ年/月 is your birth year/month, ニックネーム is your nickname (you don't need to make one (default)), プロフィール profile, あなたの創作分野 is what kind of stuff you want to upload (music, illus, etc.). Just leave at default, since you only need the account to get off vocals. Again green button to continue, and then you'll see what you input for confirmation. Green button and you completed your registration.

Now if you go to any off vocal page such as again Otsukimi Recital, scroll down to the green button that says 作品のダウンロード (download work). A popup will appear. Check the ライセンスに同意します (agree to license) and click この作品をダウンロード (download this work). Your browser should download automatically. About the licensing, under the green download button, you can see ライセンス (license) and the crossed out yen is 非営利目的に限ります (for non commercial purposes). I don't know if all off vocals have this licensing, but it would make sense...

Okay that was quite exhaustive... I think I've been spending 20 minutes on this xD since you mentioned you don't know Japanese ^^;; Now how do I delete that temporary account I just made... (It is possible btw. Just find 退会手続のページに進む, in your settings. But you won't be able to reregister with the same email for some time and you can't reuse your piapro ID).


About critiquing, I suggest you post another thread under on this board (Beginning Singers) and ask for critique there. Usually some will respond with a critique :)


PS: If you don't have any idea what something in piapro says, simply copy paste the text to google translate. It will help you to understand the gist of it at least.

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• 11/20/2017
BLUEBIRD wrote:
haha glad it worked after all though ^^;;----

Piapro is just a site, were people can upload different things, such as tracks/music (音楽/オンガク), illustrations (イラスト), 3d models (3Dモデル), and texts/lyrics (テキスト). And many producers use piapro to upload their off vocals.

Hmm... I think the easiest is, if the original artist links to the off vocal directly. So say you've seen Choumiryou's cover of Paradichlorobenzene. Find the line in the description that goes like 本家様⇒smXXXXXXX (本家様 means like original artist) and click on that link. In our example that'd be This video by OwataP. In this video's description you see the line オフボーカル - http://piapro.jp/xxx (オフボーカル is off vocal). If there is no piapro link on the video's description, then shoot... (PS: you may need to set the language to Japanese, because often the English translations that fans submit, omit a lot of stuff...)

If there's no link to the off vocal on the video, another option is to go to the Vocaloid Wiki and search for the producer of the song. Often they have the link to the producer's piapro account, so just click on that. For example Jin's page has his piapro account linked on it. What you may be interested in is the 最近の投稿作品 tab (newest uploaded works). Click on it to expand, and search (Ctrl + F) for the song you want by copy pasting the Japanese name into the searchbox of your browser, or simply scroll through the page to find it.

If Vocaloid Wiki for some reason doesn't have the piapro account linked on it either, just search for the song by copy pasting the Japanese title. Now when I searched for example for オツキミリサイタル (Otsukimi Recital), piapro by default searched for illustrations. So be sure to, when you search, go to the dropdown left to the seacrh box, and select music (♫音楽). Or if you forgot to do so, and already searched, on the search result page, click on the オンガク (music) tab. Another thing is, piapro by default searched after upload time (投稿日時)... If you search like that you'll get newest uploaded first. But we don't want that, as the off vocal is usually one of the first that get uploaded... So select みられている順 as it will display the tracks after views, and usually the off vocal should have most views (or at least be under the top 5...). If I do so with the previous example of searching オツキミリサイタル, the first result will be "オツキミリサイタル off vo", and the uploader is じんさん (Jin). And since we know that Jin is the original artist, we know it's a legit upload by the original artist, sorta (unless there's some imposter going around...)

I think you can also search for the song by putting the Japanese title, and off vocal, but I don't know how reliable that is, since not all may actually name their off vocals that way. Some may name it instrumental, and then it wouldn't appear in the search results.

Also on the front page, there is this 注目作品 which is basically a spotlight of some works (maybe the currently popular works?). Again under the オンガク (music) tab, you can find some off vocals as well. But tbh. if you're searching for a specific track, the probability is pretty low that it just happens to be on that page ^^;

Now about downloading. I need to be logged in to download the tracks. Click on 新規登録|ログイン to create a new account/log in. It will lead you to the log in (ログイン) screen, where you can input your piapro ID or your email that you registered with (ピアプロIDまたは登録Eメール), and your password (パスワード). PS: If you forgot your password click パスワードを忘れた and if you want to be remembered, check 次回オートログインする (next time do auto sign in).

But you probably don't have an account yet. so click on はじめての方は ユーザー登録をしてご利用下さい. You'll be lead to a page with a large text blob. That's probably (idk, didn't read...) term of use blob. just scroll down and click the green button to agree and continue. On the next page input your email. Again click the green button. Piapro will send you a verification email. click on it to verify, and you can continue registering. In the next tab ご希望のピアプロID is your preferred piapro ID: 4-24 Characters, english numbers, letters and underlines allowed. パスワード is password, パスワード確認 is again password, アイコン画像 is your icon, 生まれ年/月 is your birth year/month, ニックネーム is your nickname (you don't need to make one (default)), プロフィール profile, あなたの創作分野 is what kind of stuff you want to upload (music, illus, etc.). Just leave at default, since you only need the account to get off vocals. Again green button to continue, and then you'll see what you input for confirmation. Green button and you completed your registration.

Now if you go to any off vocal page such as again Otsukimi Recital, scroll down to the green button that says 作品のダウンロード (download work). A popup will appear. Check the ライセンスに同意します (agree to license) and click この作品をダウンロード (download this work). Your browser should download automatically. About the licensing, under the green download button, you can see ライセンス (license) and the crossed out yen is 非営利目的に限ります (for non commercial purposes). I don't know if all off vocals have this licensing, but it would make sense...

Okay that was quite exhaustive... I think I've been spending 20 minutes on this xD since you mentioned you don't know Japanese ^^;; Now how do I delete that temporary account I just made... (It is possible btw. Just find 退会手続のページに進む, in your settings. But you won't be able to reregister with the same email for some time and you can't reuse your piapro ID).


About critiquing, I suggest you post another thread under on this board (Beginning Singers) and ask for critique there. Usually some will respond with a critique :)


PS: If you don't have any idea what something in piapro says, simply copy paste the text to google translate. It will help you to understand the gist of it at least.


!! Wow, thanks alot for that. I'll probably have your reply pasted in a note whenever I'm browsing the site hahahah! I have no more questions at this time due to the impressively detailed guide. Thanks again!

And I'll do that when I have a few songs ready o7

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• 11/21/2017

No probs! Hope it helps :) If you have any more questions, feel free to ask ^^

Sure I'll be looking forward to it :)

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• 5/12/2018
thanks it's elaborated & helpful for noobs like me >///<
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• 5/31/2018
No prob bob
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